{"id":923,"date":"2014-06-05T10:20:12","date_gmt":"2014-06-05T16:20:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/larsonweb.com\/blog\/?p=923"},"modified":"2022-02-10T09:07:30","modified_gmt":"2022-02-10T09:07:30","slug":"hiring-a-guide","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/larsonweb.com\/blog\/hiring-a-guide\/","title":{"rendered":"Hiring a Guide"},"content":{"rendered":"

A rope joins two beings who have only one life; the guide for some hours ties himself to an unknown man who is going to become a friend. \u00a0When two men share the best and the worst, they are no longer strangers. \u00a0 \u00a0The guide does not climb for himself; he opens the gates of his mountains for his companion. \u00a0 \u00a0Gaston Rebuffat, \u00a0Between Heaven and Earth<\/span><\/b><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

Guides<\/span><\/b><\/span><\/h1>\n

Hiring a guide is somewhat uncommon here in the United States<\/span>. \u00a0Very few US climbers that I know have ever climbed with a guide. \u00a0This is in contrast to Europe, where guided climbing is much more common.<\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Hiring a guide<\/span>\u00a0can be an excellent experience. \u00a0A good guide will not only guide you up a route, but will also teach you skills that will carry over to unguided climbing going forward. \u00a0<\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The process of hiring a guide is different in Europe than it is in North America<\/span>. \u00a0<\/span>In the United States, many of the more popular climbing areas are located within national park boundaries. \u00a0In these national parks, the Federal Government awards guiding “concessions” to selected guide companies. \u00a0Unless a guide is affiliated with one of these concessions, that guide is not allowed to guide in that area. \u00a0In addition, there are often restrictions on which routes are allowed to be guided, and which are off limits to guided parties. \u00a0(For example, \u00a0on Mount Rainier, no guiding is allowed on Ptarmigan Ridge<\/span>.) \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Because you’re working with a company as opposed to an individual guide, it may be difficult, for example, to retain the same guide if you want to undertake guided climbing in Grand Teton National Park, Mount Rainier, and Rocky Mountain Park. \u00a0Because of the concession restrictions, you will likely be forced to use three separate guides, one for each location. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Regulations are a bit more relaxed outside of national parks, but many federal and state lands regulate guiding activities. \u00a0It is often the case that some sort of commercial permit is required to legally guide on public lands. \u00a0The reason usually given for these restrictions is the need for quality control. \u00a0Personally, I think that this justification is somewhat lame. \u00a0I participated in a guided class in a national park that was attended by a park ranger who was there to “audit” the guide service and assess whether or not their guide permit should be extended. \u00a0It was abundantly clear that the auditing ranger knew little or nothing about climbing. \u00a0Unless somebody died during the class, it would have been pretty much impossible for him to draw any valid conclusions as to the quality of the services provided. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

However, government oversight of some sort isn’t necessarily a bad idea. \u00a0<\/span>This is because, in the United States, there is generally no requirement that a guide have any formal training. \u00a0This is in stark contrast to Europe, where every professional guide must complete a very rigorous, multi-year program in the guiding profession. \u00a0In Europe, the UIAGM (or IFMGA depending on the language) is the body that must certify an aspiring guide. \u00a0Without<\/span>\u00a0this certification, a person can not legally guide in Europe. \u00a0In the US, they regulate real estate agents, lawyers, and hair dressers, but anyone who wants to can call himself a guide. \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

However, although certification is not mandatory in the United States, some guides do go through a certification process. \u00a0<\/span>In the USA, the equivalent of the UIAGM is the American Mountain Guide Association (AMGA.) \u00a0 The AMGA provides training and certification for guides<\/span>. \u00a0However, not all certifications are equal. \u00a0The AMGA provides training and certification in a number of climbing disciplines, including “Certified Single Pitch Instructor”; “Certified Alpine Guide” “Certified Climbing Wall Instructor.” \u00a0<\/span>These various certifications clearly involve widely varying degrees of competence and expertise. \u00a0So, it’s not enough to simply know that your guide is AMGA certified. \u00a0I<\/span>t\u00a0is much more important to know exactly what disciplines that the certification applies to. \u00a0There are very few US guides who are certified across all of the AMGA disciplines. \u00a0To make the situation even more<\/span>\u00a0confusing, guide services are often referred to as “AMGA\u00a0accredited.” \u00a0However, this doesn’t mean that all of the guides at that services are certified.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Don’t take this to mean that American guides are unqualified. \u00a0There are many good guides in the US, regardless of certification. \u00a0However, the lack of consistent requirements means that you need to do more homework when checking on your potential guide’s qualifications. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

So, when compared with Europe, the situation in the US manages to be both more complex in terms of regulations, and yet less transparent and consistent in terms of guide qualifications. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

With regards to costs and booking procedures, North America also differs significantly from Europe. \u00a0In North America, you typically reserve a guided trip some time in advance, and you pay a fixed fee by the day for the guide’s time. \u00a0Travel expenses, food, etc. are extra. \u00a0Differing guide companies have different policies regarding refunds, so it makes sense to ask what will happen if your climb is cancelled or cut short due to bad weather or other circumstances. \u00a0Depending on the situation and policies, they might refund your money, might offer to reschedule, or you<\/span>\u00a0could just be out of the money. \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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My guide and friend, Franco Obert, of the Chamonix Guide Company<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

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The profession of guiding, and the process of hiring a guide is quite different in Europe than it is in the United States. \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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First, as already mentioned, European guides must be certified by the UIAGM. \u00a0If you hire a mountain guide in Europe, you can be assured that he\/she has undertaken a very rigorous formal curriculum in guiding. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Second, in Europe, any certified guide can guide pretty much anywhere in Europe. \u00a0There are no “concessions” like in the US. \u00a0You can climb with the same guide in Chamonix, Zermatt, and the Dolomites. \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Third, the fees are calculated differently in Europe. \u00a0In contrast to North America, where a guide’s fees are typically a fixed daily rate, in Europe, the fee is dependent on the route climbed. \u00a0Generally, the longer and more serious the route is, the higher the fee. \u00a0As in North America, expenses (typically hut fees, and teleferique costs) are the responsibility of the client. \u00a0One advantage of the European system is that you typically don’t pay for days not spent climbing. \u00a0If you’re climbing out of your guide’s home base town and the weather is bad, you won’t pay for days spent trapped in town by bad weather even if you’ve made reservations to climb with him. \u00a0Unless you’re requiring your guide to leave his base of operations, if you don’t climb due to nasty weather, you typically don’t owe anything. \u00a0Similarly, if the climb is aborted due to sickness or other such event, you’ll only owe a reduced fee for a single day. \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Overall, I much prefer the European approach to guiding. \u00a0It makes it much easier to develop a long-term relationship with an individual guide<\/span>,\u00a0and it’s much more flexible. \u00a0Also, because of the requirement for universal certification, you can be assured of a uniformly high standard of competence when hiring a guide in Europe. <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Some Advice About Being Guided:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n
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I’ve hired a number of guides, in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. \u00a0Here are some observations about getting the most out of hiring a guide<\/span>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Selecting a lesser traveled route will endear you to your guide. \u00a0Most areas have a number of “trade routes” that are climbed with monotonous regularity by guides. \u00a0Choose something else,<\/span>or better yet, collaborate with your guide to choose a route. \u00a0The lesser known route will be less crowded, the experience will likely be more enjoyable, and your guide will be excited to be doing something new. \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Be honest with your guide regarding your abilities, and don’t get in over your head. \u00a0Your guide isn’t there to drag you up a climb that you aren’t technically capable of climbing. \u00a0Remember, your guide isn’t Superman. \u00a0He’s trusting his life to you just as you are placing your life in his hands. \u00a0You have a responsibility to look after his safety that is not any less than his responsibility to take care of yours. \u00a0Similarly, just because you’re being guided, you can’t give up responsibility for your own safety. \u00a0Continue to exercise independent judgement, and<\/span>\u00a0don’t turn your brain off just because you’ve got a guide with you. \u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Observe your guide carefully. \u00a0Watch the way he uses his crampons and ice tools, how he climbs rock, what clothing and equipment he favors. \u00a0Examine the paths he chooses, how he places protection and belay anchors, the way he manages the rope, how he moves, etc. \u00a0Ask questions as time and circumstances allow, but don’t waste too much time with questions while on the mountain. \u00a0Make a mental list of questions to ask him after the climb is over and you’re relaxing in a restaurant having a post-climb feast. \u00a0This is a great opportunity to learn how an expert climbs. \u00a0Take advantage of it<\/span>. \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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There are advantages to hiring a guide that is local to the area that you’re climbing at. \u00a0This is particularly the case in Europe. \u00a0A local guide can often get you on the very first cable car in the morning, the best spot at a crowded hut and other perks of local knowledge and connections<\/span>. \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Lastly, don’t be afraid to find another guide if your experience with a particular guide is less than you had hoped for. \u00a0I’ve never had the misfortune to climb with an incompetent guide, but I have climbed with a guide that was a poor fit for me and my<\/span>\u00a0personality. \u00a0We just didn’t have much fun when we were in the mountains. \u00a0Luckily, I’ve found a number of guides that have been terrific, particularly my Chamonix guide, Franco Obert, a wonderful man with whom I have shared some of the best days of my life.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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The amazing Barry Blanchard<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Some things I learned from Barry Blanchard:<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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I had the terrrific opportunity to climb with Barry Blanchard, one of the most notable climbers in North America.\u00a0 Over the 10 days we spent together, I learned a lot of useful and interesting things:<\/span><\/div>\n
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1:\u00a0\u00a0 Snickers Bars, cheese sticks, and pepperoni are the foundation of mountain climbing nutrition.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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2:\u00a0 It’s possible to\u00a0climb 5.9 sport routes in your sneakers (if your name is Barry Blanchard.)\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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3.\u00a0 Always bring more than one pair of gloves with you on an alpine climb.<\/span><\/div>\n
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4.\u00a0 Bring lots of 6 mil cord for retreating and improvising anchors.<\/span><\/div>\n
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5.\u00a0 Not all alpine climbs have to start at 2:00 a.m.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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6.\u00a0 Coiling your rope in a mountaineer’s coil makes it a lot easier to carry when wearing a pack.<\/span><\/div>\n
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7.\u00a0 Keep a sense of humor no matter what’s going on, and remember climbing is fun (even when it isn’t.)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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